tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post7274261784953777483..comments2018-06-02T14:19:34.554-04:00Comments on Advanced Football Analytics (formerly Advanced NFL Stats): The 4th Down Bot ReturnsBrian Burkenoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-14913628458216369212014-09-07T12:11:24.293-04:002014-09-07T12:11:24.293-04:00Brian -- that is true, but surely there is somethi...Brian -- that is true, but surely there is something consistent, at least for the subset of very strong offenses we all know and love (Denver, New Orleans, New England, Green Bay with Rodgers, ...). <br /><br />I don't have 2013 data, but comparing 2011 and 2012 shows that red zone TD percentage across the 32 teams had an r=0.47 correlation between those two years. I doubt there is much to do about this in the model, though -- we probably don't get a very good estimate of strength of offense until too far into the season, given the small data.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-6068734307869393602014-09-06T12:29:46.943-04:002014-09-06T12:29:46.943-04:00Those are observed variances, not true probabiliti...Those are <i>observed</i> variances, not true probabilities. If 32 people flip a penny 10 times, some will get 3 heads, some 8, most around 5. But the true probability of the next flip is .5.Brian Burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371470711365236987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-16833163215048147582014-09-06T00:39:56.166-04:002014-09-06T00:39:56.166-04:00one other point on these 4th down decision (especi...one other point on these 4th down decision (especially in the redzone, where the choice is high percentage FG or TD attempt).<br /><br />The 32 teams in the nfl have red zone (td) percentages that range from 44% up to 73%. With such a huge variance, does it even make sense to have a league wide 10 year estimate and conclude that all teams must go for it in a particular situation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-15833126490480195372014-09-05T23:43:32.359-04:002014-09-05T23:43:32.359-04:00It'd be interesting to see how many of these 4...It'd be interesting to see how many of these 4th decisions actually occur in a season, and how often they actually make a difference. The article shows as an example with a score of 34-7, so it truly didn't matter.<br /><br />i'd also like to see discussion of changes not only in the mean WP, but also the stdev of these decisions. Increasing your WP by 0.2 games per season in the limit, doesn't mean anything if it turns out you actually lost a game because of the decision to go for it - you get fired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-81592749339777647582014-09-04T22:52:57.190-04:002014-09-04T22:52:57.190-04:00Because that's the "expected" value ...Because that's the "expected" value of a punt anywhere inside the 40 or so. Basically it's probably going to be a touch back. I didn't bother trying to model silly situations like that with any more fidelity. Waste of time. Brian Burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371470711365236987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38600807.post-54620148663726965292014-09-04T22:33:54.126-04:002014-09-04T22:33:54.126-04:00Brian, on the 4th and goal from the 3 you show a p...Brian, on the 4th and goal from the 3 you show a punt as +0.2 points. How did the bot come up with that? David Kravitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04327956475721102278noreply@blogger.com